Real Jehovah's Witnesses (djeggnog, StandFirm, etc),
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I'm trying to understand you.
Good luck, Pirata.
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Real Jehovah's Witnesses (djeggnog, StandFirm, etc), I'm trying to understand you.
by pirata ini'm an active jehovah's witness.
i've obviously lost my faith, that's why i don't feel bad posting here anymore.
i'd probably be disfellowshipped as a division causing, teaching, apostate, faster than you can say "maher-shalal-hash-baz" (isaiah 8:1), should it be found out that i was posting here and did not repent of the things i've said and stop participating in this forum.
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The Scotsman, Post #314:
"Goodness knows how fast it was going when it goes upwards at the end!!"
At that speed, obviously supersonic, it should have made a sonic boom.
Chrisjoel, Post #606:
"First one is def fake i agree..here is the translation of the second one though..."
Chris; why would the the second video be real and the first one fake? Would it not be odd that somebody decided to fake something that really happened?
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What would the world be like if everybody was a Jehovah Witnesses
by TotallyADD inon the news the other day they showed a young man after graduating from high school went out and got drunk and had a bad car accident.
he was paralyze from the waist down.
instead of going into deep depression of what he did to himself he started his life over and went to college and was involved in inventing a exoskeleton for disable people.
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Glander, Post #112:I think it would be strikingly similar to what we see in fundamental Islamic Theocracies today.
PS Outlaw, I personally feel that atrocity photos should not be used to illustrate an opinion unless it is directly about the specific atrocity shown.
Glander; you're absolutely right on your first point.
I totally disagree with you on your second point. OUTLAW is perfectly justified in making any appropriate analogy to what a future world (of JWs) would be like. You, yourself, said that such a world would be like a Fundamentalist Theocracy (It is irrelevant whether it would be an Islamic or a Christian Dominionist Theocracy).
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LETS TALK JESUS.....
by Quentin inwas jesus a real living being?
or, was he a myth, made up 60 to 70 years after the fact.. i for one believe he did exist.
was the epicenter of oral traditions and overblown hype.
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From what I have read I've come to these conclusions:
Jesus was a Jewish mystic and magician who believed that "The Kingdom of Heaven" was imminent. He believed that it was going to be preceded by miraculous healings. Those miracles would require "Faith" to initiate. He believed that God would not bring the Kingdom unless people reached out to Him in "Faith". He believed that no one had the "Faith" needed to start the miraculous chain of events that was necessary to bring about "The Kingdom of Heaven".
Therefore, he developed the delusionary belief that he had a role to play by being a conduit for miracles and healing. Since miracles weren't real, but he wanted to believe that they could be, he started a ministry of faked miracles and healings hoping that he would impress and excite people to the point where they would develop enough "Faith" to spark real miracles.
When thinking of "Faith" from Jesus' point of view, imagine Yoda instructing Luke Skywalker (Star Wars II) in how to use "The Force". Yoda says, "There is no think. Do or do not." (And didn't the trashed Millennium Falcon rise from the swamp?)
To put it briefly, Jesus was a psychotic Jewish mystic/magician who sincerely thought he could spark the miracles that he thought were necessary to bring about "The Kingdom of God."
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Whose Paradise?
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What would the world be like if everybody was a Jehovah Witnesses
by TotallyADD inon the news the other day they showed a young man after graduating from high school went out and got drunk and had a bad car accident.
he was paralyze from the waist down.
instead of going into deep depression of what he did to himself he started his life over and went to college and was involved in inventing a exoskeleton for disable people.
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BCK:
"Would the world be a better place if everybody was a JW? Honestly, yes. At least they are non-violent. And against warfare. Ask the people in Afganistan and Irac if they like war. I don't think it matters if you like JWs or not, it would be better if everybody had the same belief system."
Welcome to the board, BCK. Please don't be offended if I'm blunt. Before I respond, let me ask you. How long were you a witness and how old are you (approximately)?
As for your statement that they are non violent you are obviously not familiar with them or have a handle on history or psychological and social realities in general. The Watchtower itself has said that Jehovah's Witnesses ARE NOT PACIFISTS because they are preaching the greatest war ever. They have said that if God ordered them to fight at Armageddon they would. The reason they do not fight in wars right now is because of their doctrine of neutrality. This is not their kingdom, so fighting in any nation's war is like an Argentinean fighting for the Chinese.
Even without knowing that, a little bit of psychology, history, and common sense should allow one to expect that Jehovah's Witnesses-being totalitarian in nature-would become tyrannical if they had the opportunity to carve out a piece of sovereign territory.
Having the same belief system did not better the world throughout Catholic dominated Medieval Europe. Quite the contrary, certain people were aching to break free of the tyrannical yoke of the Catholic Church. They were known as Protestants and there were lots of bloody wars between the two.
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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization
by StandFirm inhere is the promised debate.
the subject is whether or not god has an organization.
i'll start things simply:.
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Have you seen me?
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Last seen: 4 days ago.
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Last known location: Post #24.
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Name: StandFirm.
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Alias: Troll.
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Gender: Indeterminate.
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Description: Fat, ugly, and too big for his britches.
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Height: Very tall ego.
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what toys did you all ways want but couldnt have because you were a jw!
by warmasasunned ini was lucky not to be born into the jw's, so i had pretty much every toy i wanted .... actionman (g.i joe) with all the guns, tanks wonderful 2nd world war uniforms, toy soldiers cavalry, indians, cowboys, knights,castles and forts.. six million dollar man, lone ranger and tonto, toy cars matchbox captin scarlett, thunder birds, loads of guns to run around playing war.. great days.
(of course my sisters had dolls and prams, barbies cindys, play make up).
i know having spoken to jws born into it certain toys were of limits for some kids.. a good friend told me how he loved action man and played with them constantly, until one day he came home and saw them all by the door in a. card board box.. when he asked his mum what she was doing.. she told him "do you really think jehovah wants you to play war, you can keep one of them but he cant have any guns and fight people".
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Conspiracy theorists
by JimmyPage insome here like to perpetuate the idea that there is a hidden group lurking in the shadows playing democrats and republicans against each other for their own benefit... or that a new world order is about to annihilate herds of common men to stay in power.. please name one specific living person who is a member of this elite group..
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I believe in the ultimate conspiracy.
There is this secret "think tank" organization dedicated exclusively to inventing bogus conspiracies. The purpose of creating these bogus conspiracies is to keep people so occupied with them that they won't discover the real conspiracies.
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Do they use Jehovah's name repeatedly because it's their name?
by WalkTall ini was thinking when reading another thread where it was mentioned how god's name was never used in the nt, but how often it is uttered in khs that it is used so often, not because we need to use his name, but because it is the name associated with their organization.
it is their name really.
could that be why it's used so often?.
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Walk Tall:
". . . it is used so often, not because we need to use his name, but because it is the name associated with their organization. It is their name really. Could that be why it's used so often?"
Walk Tall; that is an excellent observation.
I thought of the same thing myself. One of the ways I thought about it, metaphorically, was that the name was nothing but the equivalent of a patriotic flag symbolizing their organization.
Another way I described it had to do with how the brain registers information. It was the phrase "Jehovah's organization" and how the Witnesses automatically equate it with Jehovah himself. I remember reading in one of Franz books about a brother who was leaving the organization and was told by another brother, "Don't leave Jehovah!" No matter how often he was told the difference between Jehovah and the organization, he just couldn't make the distinction between the two. In my opinion, this has to do with the fact that Witnesses have the phrase "Jehovah's organization" repeated so often throughout their lives that the two words are probably located together in the same region of the brain. This would be even more likely if the Witness were raised in the religion during their formative years.
This would suggest that, in their minds, the words "Jehovah" and "organization" are synonymous; like the words crap and shit are.
Jehovah = Organization = Jehovah = Organization = Jehovah = Organization = Jehovah = Organization = . . .
Glander, Post #112:
